Transforming Organizations with Andrea Faré
Today's guest, Andrea Faré is a former technology strategy advisor and client relationship manager at Tech-Rain in Rome Italy. Since 3 years he's an independent consultant and a holacracy coach.
RESSOURCES FROM THIS EPISODE
Jurgen Schmidhuber "The super intelligence end game" a brilliant forecast on the role of AI and mankind in the coming future.
"Agile product ownership explained" a masterpiece of clarity, much more informative than the sum of many books I've read on the topic.
"Christopher Hitchens' talk at Google", a great example of engaging and refined dialectics, on a controversial theme - is religion a force of good or evil?
Robert Axelrod : The Evolution of Cooperation
Shows why cooperation is needed and autonomously emerges even in hostile environments. Nature seems to be able to cooperate on prisoner-dilemma-like problems much better than us.
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
the book analyses evolution from as if the gene was the actual subject of it, and humans were simply vessels that carry selfish genes on their journey to replication, it is interesting because it forces you to get rid of the anthropocentric view by which we distort most interpretations of what happens around us.
Reinventing Organisations by Frederic Laloux
an eye opening enquiry on modern organisational change
Maverick by Ricardo Semler
an incredible story of a great leader who has introduced self-management even before the definition existed
Switch: how to change things when change is hard
Adults in the room: my battle with Europe's deep establishment
Talking to My Daughter About the Economy: A Brief History of Capitalism
TRANSFORMING ORGANIZATIONS, FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT.
Guest: Andrea Faré. Host: Simon Severino.
Welcome to this strategy show. We explore with real people how to develop and deploy strategies that work. We discover how they overcome obstacles along the way balancing both achievement and fulfillment. We dive into the most powerful routine, tactics and strategies and discover how they managed to stay fresh strong and happy. This is your host, Simon Severino.
Simon: Welcome back to the strategy show. We are here today with Andrea Faré, former technology strategy advisor and client relationship manager at Tech-Rain in Rome Italy. Since 3 years he's an independent consultant and a holacracy coach, welcome Andrea.
Andrea: Alright guys, thanks for having me.
Simon: Thank you for being here. Andrea, are you ready for a rapid set of questions?
Andrea: Definitely ready.
Simon: OK. So, what are you currently creating and why?
Andrea: Well, at the present time I'm actually focusing most of my time on trying to develop a generalized personal generalize approach to transforming organizations. I want to help organizations specifically in Italy at the moment switch from the efficiency mindset that Taylorism pushed on them for so many years to the ability to develop a collective intelligence that is a least machines take over completely. And I’m focusing mostly on Italy first because it is my country, and I think my country has a lot of unexpressed potential - it’s somehow a funny, a funny country we like creativity and [improvisation]; I wonder if that fast somehow our relationship to power and intending to even appreciate leaders that show creativity in tricking the system itself sometimes, and we see that in companies and in politics. So, there's a lot to work on.
Simon: Interesting. Creativity and power, can you tell a little bit more about that?
Andrea: Well yes, when you live in a system where rules are not really respected or where there are too many rules and their life become complex and you have to improvise, right? and as soon as you start improvising and you develop those skills then trying to bend the rules or maybe just interpret the rules of which you are most comfortable with it becomes a skill, and that opens a door to a distortion of your relationship to power. This is my opinion in this, at least that we have that sort of problem in Italy or maybe all Mediterranean can encounter the problem a little bit. If you look at the adoption of self-organization practices in Europe I can really see a trend with the countries around the Mediterranean having most of the problems with that.
Simon: Interesting. What do you not stand for and what do you stand for?
Andrea: Oh, that's an interesting question, I would say I do not stand for selfishness - I see a lot of selfishness around me at the expenses of the system and of others and it often appears under disguise. So yeah, selfishness is definitely something I don't stand for. On the other hand, I really stand for transparency, and I think our societies need more of transparency in order to develop a better collective intelligence. I think the age of power by owning information is coming to an end, although very few people are realizing this in my opinion. And you can own infrastructure and own land, you can own services and products, but there's no owning ideas anymore. If you don't realize that I think you will have trouble in the near future. So, transparency definitely and I stand for that.
Simon: When someone decides for your offering, what do they really decide for or in other words, what do you manufacture?
Andrea: Alright. Well, I do not directly manufacture anything that can be sold in a strictly package or transactional way, like no books, yeah at least. No canvases, there are many canvases - everybody is coming up with their own canvases too, deal with a specific problem or issue. I operate mostly on a coaching and consulting demands. So, I think what clients appreciate the most is a systemic view that connects the problems or mostly their organization problems to a path of potential solution which we can discover and walk up through together without me trying to force any prepackaged truths on them. So, better than in spite of the fact that I have some strong ideas obviously, but I think that a consultant becomes really strong when he is capable to reject an engagement rather than wrap his own thoughts around it.
Simon: Do you have a favorite failure, one that set you up for later success?
Andrea: That's an interesting question, too. Yeah, I have a huge failure in life time, but as the question suggests I don't know if we can really call it a failure. I've devoted many years of my life into trying to become a professional musician, and I can say I fail in that absolutely. And I wouldn't be able to track it because as well it's very hard to become a musician nowadays - to have a career in music. But on the other end, although I spend so much energy and I think I got out of it a lot, I've learned a lot. The experience has had me came for my purpose better and counter-intuitively is also has contributed to a lot of my organizational skills because music groups are incredible forms of temporary organizations - they present very tough challenges to be solved. Musicians are very different personalities like a musical group is a temporary organization with its own purpose that has to make money and sometimes only last one single night. So, it's a very interesting temporary organization.
Simon: How would the two people you influenced most describe you?
Andrea: Well, I don't know if the people that influenced me the most actually know me. So, I don’t know, I should definitely mention my parents because I think they've been very lucky and they have very different personalities - My mom is more of a social animal and my father is rather analytical person. If I were to name two people in a broader context I would probably mention Juergen Schmidhuber , a scientist, I don't know if he is German or Swiss but I know he works in Switzerland, and yes, there’re some incredible stuff on the conversion of the biological mind with the artificial intelligence and there's some papers that he has brought like the formal theory of fun and creativity - it's unbelievable stuff that has influenced me a lot, not so much in the work I do, but in the way I see how things work. So, it's me too but it's certainly one with people who has influenced the most. Then also, Christopher Hitchens, which you probably know; he was a journalist and a critical thinker and I've often find myself watching his pictures again and again, they always amaze me of beautiful his thought. But I should mention a much longer list, Richard Feynman or even sociologist Niklas Luhmann which was a introduced to me by Gerald Mitterer and I discovered a new world - there's a lot to read, unfortunately most of it is in German.
Simon: That’s true, and we will put your recommendations in the resources for the listeners. What did you recently change your mind about?
Andrea: Oh well, I'll give you a meta answer to that. I think it's probably a twisted one, but I've changed my mind about the possibility to directly affect people's mind and I always thought previously that it was possible and then that mind changing it could be enforced by means of communication and information - but there's no way to change people minds directly and we often try to do with when that were very convinced with some of our theories and ideas. There's no way to directly do that and I think people minds change only when they experience changes themselves and most importantly when they are in a state of mind willing to accept the change - you have to enter in some sort of a child mode to be able to accept change. And so, this is probably the biggest change in my approach lately.
Simon: Beautiful, child mode!
Simon: What's your current biggest fear and how do you dance with it?
Andrea: Yeah, I don't know I think my biggest fear, I mean the most general way I can approach this - is probably finding myself in some state of constrained ability to act and to which I cannot put an end, this rarely happens in life obviously, so, it's not something I'm really really scared on a day by day basis. But when I see like terminally ill people who would like to put an end to their life and actually can't because the laws of their country don’t allow them to, that really scares them a lot. I think yeah, that doesn't scare me off at all but that type of situation really scares me and Italy is so slowly of all when towards legislation accounts for better possibility and that we have to make some steps, we have a lot more to do. Yeah, so basically that's my only fear I would say. I would overcome it, I don't know I just don't think about it, I guess that's the way, yeah.
Simon: You mentioned Richard Feynman, the Nobel Prize physicist, and there is a tool I learned from him . He would think about his 12 favorite problems and write them down and have them always near. Do you have current favorite problems you are working on?
Andrea: Well, not specific problems; I'm currently interested - well as you know, organizational transformation is very tough and we find problems that seembinary and somehow, they only have two approaches to solution. For example, now the problem seems to be the fact that we have bosses, right? And we would like to get rid of bosses, so it's either you have a boss or you don't have one - you cannot have half a boss on the way there, right? So, what interests me most is - is there a way to make a gradual shift when the problem is presented to us as an all-or-nothing problem? And the boss issue is one of those, it's really challenging - Can we go from having a boss to not having a boss gradually? Yeah, that's really my favorite problem at the moment.
Simon: What was the best investment you did recently, being it time, energy or other resources?
Andrea: I think the best investment was trying to stay in touch with like-minded people - with people who are developing the same approach I'm developing and I'm talking mostly about my jobs, so probably keeping in touch with all the teal and self-management community across Europe, it's been a greater investment of time and of money because I do quite travel obviously, not much happening in Italy, even though something is going on here as well but I recently attended Teal Camp in Switzerland, I was amazed I met a lot of like-minded people and especially when you're doing things and you're seen as a martian in your own country, is nice to get together with other martians and realize maybe there's a common planet.
Simon: Yeah, that's how we met, with Brian Robertson in Vienna.
Andrea: I think it was at a holacracy practitioner training, was it? A couple of years ago?
Simon: Exactly. Yeah, it must be 3 years ago.
Andrea: Yeah, that's how I met many of the people I actually spent a lot of time with because I know that it seems like there's some sort of sensitivity to actually appreciating the problems of modern management that they drive together a lot of like-minded people and from different areas with completely different business experiences. So, that somehow reflects even the variety of companies that were presented in reinventing organizations. We don't only have a variety of companies approaching these new ways of doing it, a variety of people actually were developed an interest in this.
Simon: In the last 3 years, which new belief or habit has much improved your life?
Andrea: Oh well, I think I've actually tried, although I haven't succeeded to divide my time better or create a new balance in the way I spend my time outside of work. And I came to the conclusion and this is something I was also doing as a musician to prove my skills. So, I would say I've probably set aside 4 areas of development which I'm interested about and to dive into in my spare time. But the 1st one is obviously, physical exercise; I’ve been trying I’m tending to spend some time with that and I know Simon you are an athlete, so I know you give importance to that as well. Learning, definitely; I always try to set aside time for learning, connecting to other people even without any direct interest of income outcome in mind and trying to automate stuff, that's another thing that’s really important - do I'm not very good at it, I was much better at the beginning of my career when I was a software developer, but nowadays it’s becoming more and more important - we are overwhelmed with information and things to do. So, our automating stuff - spending time trying to automate stuff is something we should do. I would say if I have an hour every day I would probably spend 20 minutes trying to learn something new, 20 minutes trying to connect or reconnect with somebody I know or somebody I want to know and then 20 minutes try to automate something that will make me.
Simon: Let's dig deeper into this because we get many questions in our productivity workshop and in our Strategy Forum about, what can I automate? how can I consolidate stuff and delegate it to a person or system like a bot, or apps like Zapier and IFTTT?
Andrea: I used those two as well, although sometimes it's hard to keep track even in what you do with those, and I’ll find myself building scripts that run partly on my computer, and integrate different tools and ways that you have not yet been interested, but then it becomes also an art to keep track of the way you integrate them. And so, I think this is a big challenge and it needs to be solved on the offer side, not so much on the demand side and that we are currently going through times where there is a need for it. If you look at your phone now, you probably have 100 applications, right?
Simon: Exactly 72, but I use only 15 on a regular basis every week. In terms of automation I managed to automatize things like new contacts coming in from new emails getting into my CRM, booking flights, and scheduling time with others. These are the things that I automated in the last months. Are there some things where you say I learned how to automate that and that could help listeners?
Andrea: Not really, I use mostly the same type of automation you use, like for example, with customer or prospect funnel, I have it set up in a Trello board and I have them in my e-mail connected and I just tag them and then send them there in an automated way, that's one of the things I do. So, I think we do pretty similar things. I think what's lacking is something that brings together this complexity and some product needs to come out to actually help us substract, I want to talk to my phone and I want the phone to know where I got that last messaging - one application, I don't have to go back and try to remember right where did I get that message or what channel, was it on Slack? was it a SMS, something like that. We need a level of abstraction that's currently missing, but of course we need also to work a lot on our personal productivity and that's the only pertain to tools even the practices we use right now. There's a lot to do in that area.
Simon: Great, I would love to invite you to our productivity seminar which is a 2-day intense deep dive into exactly this and it's an open program. So, we’ll be great to see you there.
Andrea: Yeah, I’ll be happy to meet you there and share what I have developed.. I’ve probably made more progress in my personal productivity rather than any automation. Well, I mostly use GTD (Getting Things Done) which has to become a religion for you to have to really work, but I’m struggling, right? don't you share that?
Simon: It's still a great basis also for me, and it is one of the foundations of our seminars. Are there skills like GTD or else that you are constantly refining?
Andrea: Well yes, I would say critical thinking; this is most important - skills are very general skills; I would say I try to stay away from logical fallacies as much as I can, because we're humans and we are prone to do that. So, critical thinking, that's why I love so much Christopher Hitchens and those kinds of thinkers who are really critical thinking. Then facilitation and coaching skills, that's part of my job and it's very hard to develop because they require constant interaction with other people who are actually willing to be coached, so that's another skill. And the 3rd skill I would say is communication; Language is so important we often do not realize what an incredible difference even a single word can make in a sentence. So, these are the 3 main areas which I'm constantly refining. I know they're very broad and generic but I think yes, this is it for me, and that those are the areas where I feel I need to progress most now.
Simon: In the last years, what have you become better at saying no to? Like invitations or projects, and which approaches have helped you to say no?
Andrea: I like to separate content from form. So, I think and lately I've started focusing a lot on my purpose; so, I think it's very important for not only for organization but for people to really try to find what their purpose is and it's hard. It took me years to find out my purpose; as in, once you're aligned with your purpose, it's very easy to say no and it's not even required to actually come up with polite ways to say no, I find it that it's much better to be direct and just explain [unclear] the things you are rejecting are actually misaligned to your purpose. So, I think that's the best way to address No’s. I don't resort to any specific way of saying no or rejecting, I just bring up my purpose and try to match what's being asked to me with that purpose and try to share that with the person who’s asking. And most of the time even if it's communicated in a very direct way it just works as people understand.
Simon: So, purpose is the very basis that gives you the clarity both in your how you approach yourself and your time and your energy but also how you consult organizations, because when there is self-organized work the purpose replaces the boss basically and the hierarchy and enables to decentralize decisions.
Andrea: Yes, I would say - although not many agree on that, but I think it is vital not only for us for people but for organization to have a clear purpose, because when you're basically telling an organization and to look for a self-manage way of structuring and you're basically removing the components that give orders, you have to give people a mean to make a distinction between what is useful for the organization and what is notuseful. And if the organization has a strong purpose and if that purpose is strongly overlap with the [purse] on a purpose of the people who are actually participating into that organization. It becomes much easier to make decisions for them and take initiative, rights? because you just look at the purpose of your company you come up with an idea and if the purpose is clear it's much easier to independently match that idea with the fact that the company really needs it or not. Whereas before, you had to ask a boss - the purpose was somehow hidden to you. Some corporate purpose you couldn't even share to the public. So yeah, purpose is really important because of that, it helps you make decision at the organizational level and at personal level much easier.
Simon: So, if listeners now are thinking "oh this purpose gives me clarity, I want to have a clear purpose" - how do they get there. Do you have some ideas?
Andrea: Well, I think that some books could help - I think Simon Sinek has recently come up with a book which is interesting for organizations; I could remember reading a book about finding personal purpose but I don't remember the name of the author at this moment, well, I’ll let you know. So, there are processes but I don't know if there's really a way for it. For instance, you have to get out of the way; firstly, you have to try to step out of the somehow automated way we live our life, step out of that and look and apply some sort of self-reflexivity to what we are and what we are doing; we don't do that often, we're not educated to it, that's probably the problem, we live in hierarchy and that's the component of our how we evolved, but we are somehow programmed - I wouldn't say intentionally programmed but it's just how things have become.
We are programmed to think in specific mindsets about our careers or our positions in society; we’re the definition of success if very standardized. As soon as you just step out of this standardized view and start asking yourself, what am I really doing here? is there a reason why I’m here or should I really find a reason? And I mean really following that reason. As soon as you start, as soon as you develop the humbleness to clearly ask yourself those questions, then you’ve jump on a path that’ll help you find your purpose in that. Sometimes that happens abruptly like it has happened to me - I don’t think I’ve ever thought about my personal purpose before 3 years ago when I left my job. So, sometimes it's a something that happens specific point in time, and I would say Brian Roberson contributed to that actually, I think the first holacracy workshop I attended really made an impact, I was keeping some tensions about our organization about my life and work, and I was attributing those tensions to people and then I understood that it's not about people, it's never about the people, it’s mostly about the mechanisms of interaction. And when I realized that I said Oh I think this is where I have to go because there's no other ways to this.
Simon: This sounds great. Do you have an example for listeners?
Andrea: Oh no, what do you mean an example?
Simon: Of this people versus mechanisms.
Andrea: Oh well, I can tell you about myself - I've worked in consulting for several years maybe over 20 years and now been a developer and then I’ve become a manager. So, going from a technical aspect of dealing with my work to managing people which is the definition of management nowadays. And I found myself when I was at the bottom of the hierarchyI was always complaining about the bosses or they don’t get this they don’t get that, I cannot believe how they actually got their position - they don't seem able to make decisions. Then when I had people I was managing I was actually getting the same feedback somehow in spite of the fact that I was trying to do my best to not make the same error. So, that's the example that's probably what triggered my personal transformation. It's the way we organize a fax the way if the effectiveness of how we communicate and the way other people perceive us, and that really affects a mutual relationship and it can ruin a team or a group. And it's not about fixing the humans, right? there's a lot going on nowadays reacting to this over bureaucratic world organization that everybody wants to fix the [human] so we have to be servant leader as we have to become better people. But then it’s really not enough, we need to change the way we make decisions and communicate. That's the only way to work better rather together.
Simon: And which of these behavior changes did you recently try out yourself, and had the most impact?
Andrea: Well, are you talking about like self-transforming myself in some way?
Andrea: Yeah, that's an area I should focus on more definitely; I'm mostly focusing on organization more than myself personally. I think most personal transformation comes from putting yourself in a context in the child-mode I was referring to, and it's easier to do that collectively, at least it's much easier for me to get into that childhood when I create context with other people and we agree on OK let's step into childmode for a while and think about new approaches to things. I think that also drives personal transformation much more than just reflecting on yourself, because we need different news even on ourselves and the biggest challenge for me is to fully accept; actually, even before accepting, actually look for other people’s opinion about myself. And this is very important to look to always - and it's a real challenge, we all are afraid somehow to get true opinion about ourselves from other. This is a big improvement I would like to make - ask a lot more for opinions about myself; for coaching, for guidance.
Simon: Powerful. How do you help yourself in order to get into this childmode? What are the prerequisites, the elements that you need in order to feel safe enough in order to have the space and to create the space with you and with other people that you can go into child-mode?.
Andrea: Right. well, on a general basis I’ve worked a lot on my approach to life and to realizing that the older we get the more our mental schemes become fixed. That's probably the very reason why we have evolution and we have generations, right? that's the reason why we don't live 1000 years, but we leave just a few years. So, the older we get the more our ideas stick and we tend to adhere to some biases and we cherry pick the stuff we like because it makes sense and it's very hard to step out of that. I think the best way to step out of that is get into some sort of a playful mode and in order to that even use the checking around a number of friends who like’s a meeting but to any kind of meeting any kind of gathering to really do deep checking’s when we meet other people and really let yourself go. And sometimes that can be done with some questions and then create a space where people can participate by actually self-inviting themselves.
So, with the traditional mindset I've always found myself taking part into meetings where I wanted to create something and felt the need to be guided. Now I’m appreciating less structured gatherings more because I've developed a different mindset, so I think it takes time to really develop the kind of mindset that allows you to get into child play when you needed it. And I wouldn't say there is a specific way to do it, sometimes even just get around the board with other people and think about the problem and start writing things on Post-Its even the craziest things like something that's just enough to start the child play, instead of just trying to structure a meeting with an objective and then with phases, right? At least when creativity is concerned.
Simon: I was thinking about the first question, what do you manufacture? I have this association right now that one of the things people buy from you in large corporations when they buy your consulting services is that they buy this spark of playfulness, this space of getting into play mode.. Is it something that comes from your Italian creativity or is it something where you would say this is a European or Mediterranean societal function?
Andrea: Well, it's very interesting. Yeah, Italians are definitely very good that they're probably some of the best in Europeans are good that not all of them. It's hard to answer this question; well, if you look at my career it wasn't really streamlining into one objective - I've done many things, I prefer to being a musician but I've even been a Pilot in the Italian air force. So you can put me completely on the other side, right? Although that was a really short experience in the Air Force Academy which lasted one year. I think it is important to really have a broad range of experiences, and I think that's part of my nature - looking for new stuff to try out and that really develops your playfulness. By not taking life too seriously and always look for new challenges. I was mentioning the theory about how we go around looking for things to do and our brain has only two types of motivation.
The intrinsic motivation is what really drives you to discover new things. The need of your brain to improve its compression algorithms to find new patterns in life and in reality that surrounds you, right? and it's not just a matter of collecting those regularities, it’s also looking for new regularities just as a child looking for games that are challenging but not so challenging that he doesn't actually get them; and not even so simple that he actually gets bored by those games. So, I think this is one we have to strive for in life as well; I always stay on that level of curiosity and try to prove these compression algorithms indirectly but doing things that are fun. And the stuff that is fun actually contributes to that, we find stuff fun exactly because of that reason, because it helps us find new patterns that our brain is thirsty for.
Simon: What are you curious about? Is there something like a bucket list of things you want to learn or to experience?
Andrea: Oh, that’s interesting. I would really like to learn new languages, I think I was amazed by the fact that the people who are already know several languages have really no problems of picking new ones. I only speak two and a half I would say and I really would like to have the time, I think that helps our brains a lot. I would really like to spend more time - no, I don't have too much time any more with music; I think music is another - playing an instrument it's really important for the development of our brain, I would say that at any age. It helps that same compression thing I was talking about on a different area. So yeah, music and new languages are what I would like to learn most, I wish I had time to spend on those.
But obviously, reading is really important; I'm not much of a reader myself, I am now more prone to get information from media, like videos and stuff like that. But I think reading really gives you the right rhythm especially if you do it at night before going to sleep, I think the best thing we can do is to absorb new information, right? Before we go to sleep, because then while we sleep our brain gets into some sort of reevaluation mode and I often find myself the great ideas right in the morning or even during the night I find myself waking up in the middle of the night and writing down things that have come to my mind while sleeping or right before I falling asleep. So yeah, this is probably - I don't know if I've answered your question but.
Simon: Beautiful. Yes, you also inspired me a lot and triggered my thinking right now. Is there anything I forgot to ask?
Andrea: [Laughs] For Italians that sounds like a Gigi Marzullo question. Unfortunately, people who are not italians might not understand this joke. I think we touched a lot of topics - actually, I congratulate you for the quality of the questions you asked, you are a master inteviewer! You have very interesting and neat questions, I really hope I've been up to your expectations , and it was really really interesting. If I may I want to share a few books I can recommend.
Simon: That would be interesting!
Andrea: Some books that I have really influenced my growth and maybe something about my plans too, I don't know. Well, I’ll start with the books. There's a short list of books that I consider very important at least for those who are interested in the same type of work that I'm doing like organization consulting. I think the “Evolution of Cooperation”, it's an old short book, it shows like cooperation is needed and autonomously emerges even in all kind of environments. And it's basically a mapping of the prisoner's dilemma into various real-life situations and natures, and it shows you how nature has developed the necessity for cooperation that goes beyond the selfishness of single individuals. Is a very interesting book.
The 2nd book I like to mention is probably the “Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins. I love that, I don't know if you read it, I loved it because it analyzes evolution as if the gene was the actual subject of evolution not humans, it tries to see the human as a simply a vessel that carries the selfish genes into their journey for replication. And it forces you to get rid of that and human-centric view. Then obviously, “Reinventing Organization” by Frederick Laloux. I mean I know I'm pretty sure you have read it yourself and in that same hand that the book is important because it does open evolve through which all the accumulated frustration of the way we were previously organizing and now it's becoming very popular. And also “Maverick” by Ricardo Semler. And the last book is specifically for you Simon because I know you are a triathlete. I’m not much of a runner anymore, but when I used to run more I remember reading the “Pose Method of Running” by Nicholas Romanov, I don't know if you've ever met that book?
Simon: No, but I’ll read it.
Andrea: It's an incredible book, the pose method of running has changed completely my technique and I never suffered from any injuries after reading that book, it was really great to read. Just a couple of thoughts about my plan; Although I cannot anticipate more, I will soon build something that goes beyond my personal activities and probably start a company in the realm of self-organization and consulting, because I feel that I need to put my energies together with other people, and I have found like-minded people in Italy who are willing to go into this venture with me. So, although there will be news coming up in the following months, I am really excited about that.
Simon: Well, perfect. Then, Andrea thank you very much for being part of the strategy show. And dear listeners, you will find the resources mentioned as always in the show notes and also on www.strategysprints.com
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